'I'm Not a Believer, but...I Guess Anything's Possible,' Says President Trump of UFOs in Interview with Tucker Carlson
Fox News correspondent Tucker Carlson asked President Trump about UFOs in a July 5th interview, following a June 15th interview with George Stephanopoulos for ABC News in which the president said that he does “not particularly” believe that Navy pilots are seeing UFOs.
When asked by Carlson if he thought they were real, the president expressed skepticism.
"Well, I don’t really want to get into it too much, but personally, I tend to doubt it," President Trump said. "I mean, you have people that swear by it, right? And pilots have come in and they said, and these are pilots that are, not pilots that are into that particular world, but we have had people, saying they they’ve seen things."
"I’m not a believer, but, you know, I guess anything’s possible," he added.
Carlson mentioned that he had spoken to a credible person within the U.S. government who claimed that UFO wreckage had been recovered, but President Trump said that he had no knowledge of any recovered materials.
"I haven’t heard that, no. I haven’t heard that. It has not been, within government, it has not been a big thing, but I have seen it. I’ve seen it on your show, but I have seen it. I don’t assume it’s correct, but, you know, I have an open mind, Tucker," he said.
Carlson went on to interview former British Ministry of Defence UFO investigator Nick Pope, who said he found the president’s statements “refreshing”.
“Well, first of all, I think it’s absolutely refreshing to get a straight answer from a president, a sitting president, on this without dodging the question, without making some humorous reference to a science fiction movie. So, that was good to hear," said Pope.
"I understand the skepticism. I think everyone that started off looking at this from within government starts skeptical," he continued. "But, as you say, this reference to the briefing that he has is very interesting. When he says he doesn’t want to get into this, does that reflect just that he’s personally just not that interested, or maybe that he received some classified information that he’s not able to share about all this?"
Carlson then asked Pope why he thought that President Trump had said he had no knowledge of any UFO wreckage.
"We spoke to a credible, non-crazy U.S. government official who said categorically, flat out, the U.S. government has wreckage from a UFO—didn't say it was extraterrestrial, but it was an unidentified flying object and the U.S. government has material from that aircraft; whatever it is. That’s an amazing claim. How would the president not have heard that?" Carlson asked. "Assuming it’s true."
"Well, I think that’s the big thing, assuming it’s true," Pope replied. "I mean, I would think that the president has probably asked the chairman of the joint chiefs, firstly, is there a threat here to the United States? And secondly, setting that question aside, what are we dealing with? I mean, is this our own tech? Is it Russia? Is it China? Or is it from somewhere further afield? I mean, he will have asked for all information held on this and will be trying to figure out what to do. I mean, he has said himself, something feels a little bit different about all this. With the U.S. Navy pilots and the radar operators now coming forward, so there is something different and important and big happening."
Finally, Carlson wanted to know what Pope had found was the majority view on UFOs among government personnel.
"Well, I’m not sure there is a majority view," Pope said. "Even within government, and I’ve been here myself with the British Ministry of Defence, there were conflicting opinions. I mean, look, if the president would like more research and more briefing, I’m certainly happy to help with that. I could probably round up a couple of other former intelligence officials from within the U.S. administration who’ve looked at this, and we could certainly, I’m sure, get some people who aren’t afraid to think the unthinkable and ask those big ‘what if’ questions."
Regardless of what people think the truth is now, Pope said, we might find out the reality of the phenomenon soon enough, and when that time comes, the president will need to manage the situation.
"But look, whatever happens with UFOs, this may happen on President Trump’s watch," he said. "We may get, with the current radio telescopes, certainly with the next-generation telescopes, we might get absolute confirmation that there’s other civilizations out there, and therefore this might happen on President Trump’s watch. He’ll be the one who has to make the announcement, and what an historic announcement that would be. 'My fellow Americans, people of the world, we are not alone', so I’m glad to hear he’s open minded and thinking about this, because there has been an upsurge in these sightings and who knows what the future will bring?"
“There’s something terrifying about all that,” Carlson said. “But we’re not in control, as you often point out.”
Interest in governmental disclosure of knowledge surrounding UFOs has been on the rise since 2017, when news broke of the Pentagon’s secretive UFO project—known as the Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP).
Most recently, five Navy pilots reportedly told the New York Times that unidentified flying objects were an “almost daily” occurrence from the summer of 2014 through March 2015; two of the pilots, Lieutenant Ryan Graves and Lieutenant Danny Accoin agreed to go on record about their experiences with both the New York Times and for the History Channel UFO docuseries Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation—a project created in tandem with To the Stars…Academy of Arts & Science (TTSA), a public benefit corporation created in 2017 to study UFOs. The pilots’ testimony prompted several senators to request and receive private briefings on the encounters.
The narrative built from those accounts is not without controversy, having received some pushback from researchers in the UFO community. That argument stems mostly from the seemingly cyclical nature of the government’s public interest in UFOs, and the associated disinformation therewith.
It is unclear at this time if the president’s statements reflect anything other than a general disinterest in the subject.
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